The Nike Kobe 8 System – Black Lotus Performance Reviews
Introduction
When Kobe Bryant teamed up with Nike, the pairing looked to make waves in the basketball sneaker industry. It took a couple of years, but the Kobe line has ascended as the premiere low top basketball sneaker on the market. Starting with the IV, refinements have been made to make the shoe light and more efficient, but with a distinct style that no other basketball shoe on the market can compare with. In other words, the shoe is always designed with aesthetics meeting form & function. The Kobe VII introduced a System of interchangeable midsoles, borrowed directly from the Air Jordan line. Although the results did not yield the best in performance for the Kobe series, it did show an active push to advance the line further. As the refinements continue Nike comes with their latest system for 2013. For our first Performance Review of 2013, the Nike Kobe 8 System darts onto the hardwood.
One of the most anticipated shoes of the season, the Kobe 8 System is the lightest Nike Basketball shoe ever released. The features include the following:
- Mesh upper for light weight performance, great flexibility, and breathability
- Cushioning provided by full-length Lunarlon midsole insert
- Minimal rubber outsole with herringbone traction pattern
- Stiff 3D heel counter and sculpted mid foot plate for stability
- No sew synthetic overlays at the toe and quarter panel
Aesthetics and Styling
Last season, the Kobe VII System introduced a bootie midsole to offer some ankle support for the low cut shoe. It would seem the line was moving away from the low cut look to provide a higher cut to increase stability. A look at the 8 destroyed this notion. At around/under 10 oz (depending on size), the Kobe 8 System is the lightest Nike basketball shoe ever released. The Flywire/Hyperfused based upper has been shelved in favor of a mesh material for that light weight performance. Keeping the “System” intact is a thick Lunarlon insert, for both comfort and responsiveness. Aesthetically, the designers have outdone themselves with the mamba theme. The Kobe VI introduced scales, while the VII focused on the predators theme. This Kobe not only has the shape of a snake, but diamond heads on the outsole, stripes on the heel, and a geometric patterned upper to fully embrace the snake in every aspect of the shoe. If the other versions of the Kobe wanted to be a snake, the 8 is a snake. Released early December, the first color scheme of the Kobe 8 System comes ready for Lakers Away games – black with two shades of yellow.
Sleek and minimal, the side profile of the Kobe 8 System leans more towards a runner/trainer than a high performance basketball shoe. The low cut design has a high Achilles and stiff counter for back end support and a slight collar. A geometric patterned upper holds multiple colors like a snake skin, while the outsole/midsole side wall is done with sharp, pointy, and swooping lines. We begin with the outsole which screams traction performance. Contoured and minimal, the flat rubber sole is marked with a herringbone and diamond shaped pattern. Rounding the front is the toe cap, molded with a diamond textured pattern. The lateral side flares wide with a small outrigger piece. A Kobe logo is molded on the side. Similarly, the medial side is marked with four symbols on the side wall, with some of the herringbone traction pattern creeping up by the mid foot. At the forefoot, the bottom of the sole has a slight curve upwards to aided heel to toe transitions. The lateral side is marked with a diamond pattern that slithers all the way to the heel. Medial side traction is dominated by a large herringbone section with a small pivot circle. The reticle style pivot circle includes a dotted code which is seen throughout the shoe. Moving to the mid foot, the a stiff stability plate is shiny and sculpted. The outsole is finished off at the heel with a circle, bearing the Kobe logo, splitting the herringbone and diamond traction patterns diagonally. Because the cushioning set up is provided by the Lunarlon insert, what would be the midsole is simply a sidewall shell. The shell starts on the medial mid foot, ending at a sharp point on the lateral forefoot. Dot text is molded around the back end of the heel.
A seamless mesh upper makes up the lightest Nike basketball shoe ever made. The upper is very thin, light weight, and minimal, with no openings. To give the shoe body, there is a reinforcement layer rounding the base, moving along the toe cap. A support cage lies beneath the mesh upper. For style and aesthetics, the mamba theme is played out through geometric shapes on the upper. The camouflage/snake effect is created by multiple colors used – in this case, black with two shades of yellow. Finishing off the upper is a reflective silver Nike swoosh logo on the lateral side.
The heel of the Kobe 8 shows off more of the sleekness of the shoe. Two reflective stripes run down the center, under the stiff heel cage. The cage is done with a split matte/gloss finish, ending on the sides to solidify heel lockdown. A mock Kobe signature is found on the lateral side. For the collar, protection comes in the form of a matte finished synthetic which covers the heel and the medial portion of the collar. Another small metallic Nike swoosh covers this side of the collar. On the inside, padding is tight and dense, with the bulk of it around the collar. The padding does continue, albeit very light, down the Achilles. Lining is a soft, smooth synthetic.
Seven eyelets house light weight, thin and sturdy flat laces. The eyelets are reinforced with plastic material, which will keep the mesh form splitting from lace pressure over time. Under the laces lies the perforated and padded tongue, lined as the collar and Achilles are. Just like the upper, the tongue is thin. However, the material used keeps it stiff, and to keep it in place, it is stitched on at the forefoot creating a semi-bootie. With perforations throughout the tongue, padding is targeted down the middle. Two lace holders add more security for the tongue and on the top of the tongue is the Kobe logo outlined by a snake. The final aspect of the Kobe 8 is the Lunarlon insert, creating the “System.” On the bottom of the thick insert is a diamond scale pattern, just like a snake. A triangle symbol is molded into the foam in the center. On the sidewall of the insert, “KOBE” is found on the lateral heel, while the “LUNARLON” text sits on the medial forefoot. Finishing off the midsole is the top, where the diamond shards texture the forefoot down to the lateral heel. A final Kobe logo protrudes on the heel.
Comfort and Fit
With the Lunarlon midsole inserted, the Kobe 8 has a static feel. There is literally no shifting and moving of the parts of the shoe, so once the laces are loosened the foot fits right in. A tightening of the laces brings a very close and precise true to size fit as the upper drapes the foot. The mesh material has a comfortable, non-invasive feel, almost like a reinforced sock. Most of the lace pressure is felt right where the laces are tied, as the tongue is pressed up against the top of the foot. Up front, the toe box is nicely designed for both comfort and fit. There is some room width wise because the lateral forefoot does not have a dramatic slope. Wiggling the toes up against the mesh, the mesh is comfortable and soft, but not flimsy. As a low cut shoe, the ankles are left exposed, with support coming under from the collar and heel counter. What helps with supporting the ankles is the tongue. Instead of a full bootie, the tongue is design as a half bootie (connected at the forefoot) to keep it in place. The top of the tongue is stiff, and can not be pulled too high. What this does is places pressure on the top, limiting the movement of the tongue to keep give the ankles some hold. This design is one of the shining aspects of the shoe. The heel counter exhibits great lock down, and the Achilles rises high enough from comfortable support. Moving on, what makes the shoe a “System” is the inclusion of interchangeable midsoles. The Lunarlon that comes standard with this release is thick, dense, and comfortable. A soft, plush feel is felt with the forefoot and heel areas having a recessed feel. Since the insole is not lined with any synthetic material, the foam feel has more of a grippy feel to the foot. Arch support is great, provided by the cut of both the insole and sculpted mid foot plate. For comfort and fit, the Kobe 8 System brings a light weight and tight feel, met with comfortable & dense Lunarlon cushioning.
Performance
Stepping on the court in the Kobe 8 System – you know you are in for a ride. The upper grips tight and pushes the foot right on the thick Lunarlon insert, which is very comfortable. Court feel is excellent as the shoe does play low to the court. Getting up to a sprint is very fast and light weight. It does not feel like anything is on the foot except for a sock, as each step is fast and cushioned. Heel to toe transitions have a tight feel with the herringbone gripping the court. Flexibility is good, although there may be a short break in time to get used to the mesh bending. This is because the upper is form fitting, so the player will need to find the flex points and get comfortable with them. One of the major issues that has plagued past shoes with interchangeable midsoles (Jordan 2011/2012, Zoom Kobe VII) is the jaggedness of how the midsole feels. Fortunately, the Kobe 8 System does not have that problem. The Lunarlon insert feels as though it is one with the shoe. A dragging feeling is not felt, and because of the way it id designed, it does not feel like it needs to be bended constantly to fit in well. In other words, it just feels right out of the box. Performance for the 8 is simple – fast and aggressive. Playing off the forefoot is where the shoe shines. Any movement involving quickness feels right. The density of the Lunalron not only provides good comfort, but good responsiveness. Those hard jabs and lateral cuts that a player may perform are done fast and fluid. The weight of the shoe just lets the player flow quickly. Getting around the court is swift, so those who like to run up and down the court are well served. There are literally no hinderances to movement which shows the agility of the shoe. Moving laterally, front to back, or back peddling has that natural, running type feel. At times, the shoe does feel more like a tight running shoe than an all out basketball performer – which is not bad to say. Jumps are performed in stride and explosive. Again, the Lunarlon is one of the best Nike cushioning systems in terms of density, responsiveness, and comfort. The rubber outsole is thin, so landings are felt right on the court, but the thickness of the Lunarlon provides enough cushioning. Fast, aggressive, and swift on the court, the Kobe 8 System is an outstanding performer.
Evaluation of stability revolves around feel, fit, and the Lunarlon insert. For a low cut shoe, ankle support and protection are sacrificed. A shoe that is 10 oz is not expected to have this kind of protection, so those who value great ankle support would have to resort to tape or a brace. That established, stability lies with the tight fit. First, heel lockdown is excellent. The counter does a great job of limiting movement on the back end, and the Achilles support rises high enough to give the feel of support. For heel strikes and the occasional post up, the heels feel secure. Comfort is provided by the Lunarlon for impact and pushing off, but when performing an action such as a spin move, the security in the heels in excellent. Next the fit of the upper and design of the insert limit any slipping and sliding. First, the upper is thin, but soft, fitting the form of the foot. This allows for it not only to hold the foot in place, but also to press it up snugly against the plush Lunarlon insert. Second, the design of the insert in terms of being a pure foam piece is what solidifies stability. The footbed is all foam with no synthetic material, added cushioning bags, or uncomfortable sidewalls, marked only with the diamond shard pattern. What this does is creates a surface for the foot that eliminates any un-needed material which can create some friction or limit bending. The result is a more natural, integrated feel, and most importantly, the reduction of the foot sliding. So for those aggressive and abrupt movements on the court, the foot always stays in place. The upper grips tight all around, the Lunarlon bends with the foot, and the stability plate keeps the shoe true. All in all, the stability of the shoe is about fit and feel.
A shoe made with quickness in mind better have excellent traction, and that is what the Kobe 8 System provides on the court. Just walking on the hardwood, the player can feel the herringbone based outsole gripping the court. The low profile feel works well with the thin rubber in providing sticky grip. Stoping in a heartbeat is what the shoe does, and with the added traction pattern on the medial side wall, those lateral bends and slides give the player the confidence to try every any and every move while moving fast. Quick and aggressive players that are constantly moving, cutting, and swiveling around the court will feel at home with the shoe. There really is not much to be said about traction other than the fact that it does deliver what is promised, and most importantly, performs at a very high level. Another aspect where the shoe delivers is with ventilation. In this case, there are no openings on the upper that give the free flow of air, but the mesh material does a great job of keeping the foot comfortable. By nature, the mesh material is not cumbersome, so even with the tight fit, ventilation is totally not cut off. In the end, ventilation performance is just another area where this Kobe performer does well.
Conclusion
After an overhaul to the line, the Kobe series has become the quintessential low top basketball shoe on the market. Kobe always prides himself on working very closely with his designers in creating a shoe that takes aesthetics, technology, performance, and style into account. The Kobe 8 System is pinnacle of refinement from the V to VII. A shoe that does what is advertised – light weight, quick, fast, responsive, with great cushioning and traction – the designers have really outdone themselves with this signature shoe. Fans of Kobe and low cut basketball shoes will find exceptional performance in these. There really is not much to say but the shoe is just exceptional on the court. After subpar offerings, in terms of performance, with the VI and VII, the 8 hopefully signals a look of what is to come in the future as the career of Bryant comes to a close in these next couple of seasons. It seems as though the Kobe line will finish off very strong. Released this past December, the Kobe 8 System is available now at the Official Nike Online Store.
This shoe is comparable to:
Nike Zoom Kobe VII System
Nike Zoom Kobe VI
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about 4 months ago
First!
Nice review bro.
More power to you and to your site.
about 4 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site and for the positive comments!
about 3 months ago
Copped a pair of Christmas colorway and I rolled my ankle on my first day of playing!
Me and my teammate had the same issue.
The shoe’s perfect to play with but if you have an ankle issue, you’re gonna have a bad time.
about 4 months ago
In comparison with the Jordan CP3.VI, which shoe performs better for a player that favors overall quickness, speed and explosive movements?
about 4 months ago
Thanks for the comments and support! The feel of both shoes is very different, as they really share none of the same attributes (aside from the low cut of the shoe, and even then, the Kobe 8 is more of a true low top). For just quickness, speed, and explosiveness, the Kobe 8 System would be a step above the CP3.VI.
about 4 months ago
How would you compare this, the rose 3, zig escape and cp3 vi?
about 4 months ago
Thanks for the comments! The Kobe 8 System is really not comparable to the Rose 3, ZigEscape, or the CP3.VI. If there are attributes that would be similar they would be the aggressive nature of the shoe (Rose 3 and ZigEscape) and the low cut of the shoe (CP3.VI).
about 4 months ago
Wow, it sounds like these shoes are a definite winner. Thanks for your unbiased reviews!
I’m currently playing in the Adidas Rose 1.5, Rose 1.5 Low, and the Adidas TS Supernatural Creator, and I love all of them. What I love about the 1.5′s, is the light, fast, and aggressive feel they bring to the court, while also providing just enough cushioning. I love the Creator’s because they are also light, and have a full 5 PureMotion pods, which have wonderful cushioning, and are just flat-out explosive when I jump.
I’ve been playing in both the Rose’s and Creator’s for about 8 months, so I’ve started looking for shoes to replace them. I’m a huge fan of any PureMotion basketball shoe, but unfortunately it’s getting harder and harder to find them online.
I’m about 6’1″ and 235 lbs, and am actually pretty athletic. I tend to play fast and explosive, even though my weight would indicate otherwise. Given my size, I would say my movements are based as much on power as they are on quickness.
Also, I have somewhat wide feet, so I have traditionally stayed away from Nike’s and worn Adidas because they tend to have a wider forefoot. I really have no loyalty to any particular brand however.
Basically, I’m looking for a shoe that is light (under 14oz.), plays fast and aggressive, and being 235 lbs, I definitely need good cushioning and stability. That being said, I always stay away from cushioning that’s too squishy (Lebron’s for example), and much prefer springy/responsive cushioning, for explosive leaping, and getting up to speed quickly. Considering the info I’ve given you, do you have any suggestions? I really appreciate it…
about 4 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site and for your comments! If you like the Rose 1.5 and Supernatural Creator, we would see no reason why you would not like the Rose 773 or Rose 3.0. The Kobe 8 might be worth a look if you have no problems with a low cut shoe. It is definitely a fast and aggressive performer.
about 4 months ago
LT27, if I may add, I’m a wide-footer as well (EE). I’ve had rather bad pains playing in the Kobe VI and VII (both US10.5) due to the narrow cut and the non-stretch nature of the uppers. For the Kobe VIII I got my usual size at US10.5 and am happy to report that I’ve had no pain whatsoever after a few games in them. The give offered by the Engineered Mesh allows the upper to more or less mold to your feet, though the Fuse backing will limit this stretch. It’s honestly one of the most comfortable balling kicks for me right now
about 4 months ago
great review! and thanks for mentioning that a low-top does sacrifice protection and support. ALTHOUGH a HIGH-cut will not prevent a twisted ankle, there’s nothing comparable to the hi-cut feeling and bracing it provides on not-so-good landings.
about 4 months ago
Thanks for the positive words and support, it is appreciated! We do not evaluate ankle protection and support based on whether or not it will prevent an injury. It is purely based on what the shoe provides to keep the ankles secure. One thing a high cut does provide is a wrap around the ankles, which does add protection.
about 4 months ago
As a Guard. Which shoe you think is personally better. The Kobe 8 or Rose 3? Which one will perform the best between them two.
about 4 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site! Both shoes are very aggressive, but have different areas where they perform well. In a few words, the Rose 3 is probably the best shoe on the market combining light weight play with great stability, while the Kobe 8 is one of the quickest & lightest shoes released this year.
about 4 months ago
Mishra, I know you only played with these indoor.
I only play outdoor. The 1mm outsole could be a deal breaker for me to get these.
Based on looks, do you think that these could hold long outdoor?
about 4 months ago
Thanks for the comments! Depending on how hard you and often you play, they may or may not hold up. You can use shoes you have already played in as examples of how the Kobe 8 might hold up in the long run. The shoe is designed with minimal material, so long term durability is obviously not an aspect where the shoe would be expected to perform well. However, because performance is very good, we would not recommend against it (unless durability is high on what you value).
about 4 months ago
Thanks Mishra, I’ll definitely look into getting one of the shoes you’ve recommended. I always wrap my ankles, so I have no problem playing in a low cut shoe. As far as comfort and performance, how would you rank the Rose 3.0, 773, and Kobe 8?
about 4 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site! We would rank the Rose 773 and 3 ahead of the Kobe 8. However, the Kobe 8 offers aspect that the Rose does not – namely comfortable cushioning and is a little bit quicker on the court. You can not go wrong with any of the shoes you listed.
about 4 months ago
Great review. You go into so much detail and you never disappoint. I currently hoop in the Adidas Adizero Rose. I love pure motion and the quickness it allows me to have, but I love the look and performance of the Kobe 8. I’m just nervous about the low cut. Do you think wearing my Adizero Speedwraps would give me the support I need?
about 4 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site! Any ankle brace or external support would help with the low cut of the shoe. The adiZero Speedwraps are some of the best on the market and they could only help.
about 3 months ago
Where would you rank the traction on the 8 compared with the best in that department, the CP3.VI for example?
about 3 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site! The CP3.VI is a bit more natural and comfortable than the Kobe 8 in terms of traction. Both provide excellent traction, but each in a different context. In a few words, the CP3.VI is based on movement and court feel, while the Kobe 8 is very aggressive in terms of stopping and starting.
about 3 months ago
Hi this has nothing to do with the kobe 8 but, out of the crazy light 1, the hyperdunk 2011 and the zoom kobe 5 which one would you choose and why? Because theres some online but idunno which one to get. Nice review!
about 3 months ago
And which is a better performer, the crazy light 1 or the rose 2.5. I have the 2.5. Thank you.
about 3 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site and for the positive words! We would rate the Crazy Light 1 ahead of both the Hyperdunk 2011 and Zoom Kobe V. The Crazy Light is light weight, fast, and very responsive, with good stability. As for the others, the Hyperdunk 2011 is the most well rounded, while the Kobe V brings a low cut feel with a very good fit. Compared to the Rose 2.5, the Crazy Light is very similar. Both shoes are very light weight, but the Rose 2.5 has more ankle support and is aggressive in nature. We would choose the Crazy Light slight over the Rose 2.5, but it is very close.
about 3 months ago
Hi great review. I have been reading allot of your reviews as i am in need of new basketball shoes. however i have no idea which shoes would be the “best”. I would like a shoe which can be used for any position as i play for two different teams one as a shooting guard and the other as a power forward. which one of your shoes would you rate the best and recommend the most?
about 3 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site! For newer released we would recommend the Nike KD V and the Jordan Melo M9. You can also check out our Top 9 list on the link below.
http://blog.blacklotus9.com/blog/2013/01/06/time-walk-black-lotus-top-9-of-2012-summerfall-%E2%80%93-part-2-5-to-1/
about 3 months ago
Hi Mishra. Just one question. How can you compare Kobe 8 to Micro G Torch in terms of overall performance and cushioning? Also, in your personal opinion which offers better cushioning Micor G or Lunarlon? Thanks
about 3 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site! For overall performance, both shoes are light weight and play aggressive. Traction is good for both, but the Torch has the edge in stability. As far as cushioning, the Micro G® and Lunarlon both have a dense and plush feel. The Micro G® might have a slight edge in comfort, but it is very close.
about 3 months ago
Thanks!
about 3 months ago
Hi!
How much room does this shoe have height-wise in terms of width? Also, is the overall fit less narrow than the kobe 7?
Thanks!
about 3 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site! The fit of the Kobe 8 System is closer to the foot than the VII, so it may feel narrow. However, the 8 fits the form of the foot, so we would highly recommend trying them on to see if your foot is a match for the shoe.
about 2 months ago
Which shoe is better? Hyperdisruptor or the Kobe 8? Which shoe has better traction? Also which shoe is lowest to the ground, i.e. better court feel?
about 2 months ago
Thanks for visiting our site! In terms of overall performance, we would go with the Kobe 8 if you are comfortable playing in a low cut shoe. Traction, court profile, and court feel are all aspects that the Kobe 8 excels in over the Hyperdisruptor.
about 3 weeks ago
Hey mishra, how is the size fit of kobe 8 compared to d rose 3? I wear a 9.5 and is very snug on the foot. Should i increase size for the kobes?
about 3 weeks ago
Thanks for visiting our site! The Rose 3.0 is a bit more relaxed than the Kobe 8. If you feel it is too snug, going up in size should help.
about 2 weeks ago
This is my first comment after reading this blog for about a year or so. Great job on the performance reviews.
I have semi-wide feet so finding good low cut shoes has been quite difficult. I’ve always had to go a half size up from 8.5 to 9.
Some shoes that have fit well for me are the Hyperdunk 2011s, 2009/09X Huaraches, D. Rose 2.5s and so on.
From what I’ve read the Kobe VI’s are good in width and the 8s should be decent. Couple questions:
1) Can you in order rank the widest shoes between the Kobe VI, 8s, and Lebron Zoom Soldier IV’s (I plan to order these soon)?
2) Are any of the 3 shoes mentioned in my first question relative in width to the shoes I mentioned that I purchased above?
Thanks!
about 2 weeks ago
Thanks for visiting our site and for your insights & positive words, it is appreciated! For your first question, we would say the Zoom Soldier IV has the most width followed by the VI then 8. We would say that the Kobe 8 is comparable to the Hyperdunk 2011 because the fit is very close with a thin upper. Hope this helps!
about 2 weeks ago
Thanks for the response! I just ordered the VI’s without ever trying them on before so hopefully that turns out well.
Would you agree that Nike in general makes the forefoot a bit narrow? I always seem to have to go up 1/2 a size regardless of the shoe.
Keep up the good work.
about 2 weeks ago
Thanks for the positive support! Certain Nike shoes do run narrow (the KD line comes to mind), yes.